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Sergi
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Posted - 14/12/2014 :  16:46:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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Maybe the Pseudolepturini Cymaterus torridus Pascoe 1885 ???

Francesco
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Posted - 14/12/2014 :  17:14:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Pyrestini Lacordaire, 1869.
Pseudolepturini Thomson, 1861 cannot be used according to the ICZN Art. 40.2 (Names replaced before 1961):

If, however, a family-group name (Pseudolepurini) was replaced before 1961 (actually, 1869!) because of the synonymy of the type genus (Pseudoleptura = Erythrus), the substitute name (Pyrestini) is to be maintained if it is in prevailing usage.
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Sergi
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Posted - 14/12/2014 :  17:17:56  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Vaya lio Francesco!! primero fue Pyrestini, luego lo cambiaron a Pseudolepturini, y ahora otra vez Pyrestini???
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Francesco
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Posted - 14/12/2014 :  17:31:56  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yo no sé quién y cuando a cambiado Pyrestini a Pseudolepturini.
Pseudolepturini no ha sido utilizado por más de 150 años!
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Sergi
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Posted - 14/12/2014 :  17:42:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
En la Base Titan se cambió Pyrestini y ahora aparece como Pseudolepturini...
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Francesco
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Posted - 14/12/2014 :  17:53:02  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Alguien tiene que empezar a leer el Código...

Sin embargo: confirmado
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dryobius
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Posted - 15/12/2014 :  05:06:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I agree that Pseudolepturini should not have been re-introduced into the nomenclature. However, the Palaearctic catalog published in 2010 not only re-introduced Pseudolepturini, it it also kept Pyrestini!!! As you see further below, Pyrestini was simply not used enough to declare that it was in "prevailing usage" (published 25 times, by 10 authors, etc, etc) The case should have been presented to ICZN to maintain Pyrestini, or... the authors of the Palaearctic catalog should have simply followed the advice that Bousquet and I presented.

When it comes to the ICZN code, it appears that many people will still try to change things that don't need to be changed. But the process of petitioning a problem to ICZN is very difficult.

Here is what Bousquet and I published in 2009 { Catalogue of family-group names in Cerambycidae (Coleoptera) }: (edited here for brevity and clarity)

Tribe Pyrestini Lacordaire, 1868

Pseudolepturitae Thomson, 1861: 131 (key), 141 (key), 146.
Type genus: Pseudoleptura Thomson, 1861 (unnecessary replacement name for Erythrus White, 1853)
Type species: Erythrus championi White, 1853 designated by Thomson (1864: 158).
Comment. This family-group name should have precedence over Pyrestini Lacordaire, 1868 which is currently used for this taxon. We have not been able to find 25 works using a family-group name based on Pyrestes Pascoe as a valid name for this particular taxon in order to apply the reversal of precedence article (Article 23.9). Nevertheless, we believe that Pyrestini should be maintained in order to preserve stability and the case submitted to the Commission for a ruling.

Pyresthides Lacordaire, 1868: 405 (key), 518.
Type genus: Pyrestes Pascoe, 1857 [stem = Pyrest-].
Type species: Pyrestes haematicus Pascoe, 1857 designated by Thomson (1864: 159). Availability (under Article 11.7.2): Pyrestini Lacord[aire], 1869 (Aurivillius 1912: 288).
Comment. Lacordaire (1868) used Pyresthes, an incorrect subsequent spelling of Pyrestes Pascoe, 1857 not in prevailing usage.
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