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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 21/03/2015 :  10:51:27  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote



Hello all.

I have never seen anything quite like this before.
Could it be something new?

Data: 07-2014 - Brookes Point - Palawan Island 400-700m - Philippines
Size: 22 mm

Thanks very much.
Ben

Edited by - Xavier on 24/03/2015 21:40:29

Xavier
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Posted - 21/03/2015 :  13:03:19  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
topic moved as asked by Ben.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 21/03/2015 :  13:14:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you.
Does anyone have any idea on this? It seems very distinctive but as I said before I have never seen anything like it before. It has huge spines!
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Gerard
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Posted - 21/03/2015 :  17:37:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hello Ben
I think that it is of the genus Thermonotus, to verify.
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Xaurus
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Posted - 21/03/2015 :  18:06:53  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
It's a Thermonotus Gahan, 1888 acc the big pronotal spines, but the sp itself and the location are really interesting.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 21/03/2015 :  18:47:56  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys.
I have looked at images of all the species I can find and none resemble this one, they also seem to be from the Borneo/Malaysia area.
Is there a paper for this particular family available?
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Xavier
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Posted - 22/03/2015 :  09:37:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Which paper are you looking for ?
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 22/03/2015 :  10:57:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I am not sure to be honest! I wondered if there was a paper with a revision of this family, although it seems not to be the case.
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Xaurus
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  00:49:13  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The genus Thermonotus is revised in Breuning's large Lamiini-Revision from 1943.
I have found a sps that could resemble to yours: T. coeruleipennis Aurivillius, 1911 (1913) described from Borneo, and stated as ab. in Breuning (1943).
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  08:39:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Brilliant, thanks for digging around for me.
Do you have that particular paper? I will look for it in the files section.

Regards
Ben
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Xavier
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  20:13:55  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote


Translation:
Thermonotus nigripennis Rits.
Close to apicalis Rits., but black elytra, with bluish colour; part of scutellum reddish brown, red femora except at the apex.

ab. coeruleipennis Auriv.: light blue elytra

Edited by - Xavier on 24/03/2015 20:22:41
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  21:24:59  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Superb!
Thanks for the translation also.
It fits the description.
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Xavier
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  21:38:48  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
So, for its name, Thermonotus nigripennis Ritsema, 1896 or Thermonotus nigripennis coeruleipennis Aurivilius, 1911
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jplami
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  21:54:22  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit jplami's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thermonotus coeruleipennis Aurivillius, 1911, stat. rev.
in Holzschuh, Zeitschrift der Arbeitsgemeinschaft Österreichischer Entomologen, 2014, 66 : 83 (removed from synonymy with T. nigripennis Ritsema, 1896)

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Edited by - jplami on 24/03/2015 21:57:15
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 24/03/2015 :  22:27:25  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thermonotus coeruleipennis it is then.
Thank you so much for everyone's input.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 28/03/2015 :  16:43:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

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A better picture showing Recto and Verso to complete the topic.
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