Author |
Topic ![Next Topic Next Topic](images/icon_go_right.gif) |
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2015 : 23:39:20
|
![](/public/imgforum/dryobius/2015718233824_Kalimantan-1B-24mm.JPG) ![](/public/imgforum/dryobius/201571823381_Kalimantan-1A-24mm.JPG)
Kalimantan-Borneo 24 mm Any ideas? |
Edited by - Xavier on 29/01/2016 18:22:01 |
|
Francesco
Forum Admin
![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif)
Luxembourg
9420 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2015 : 16:23:02
|
Lamiini... is the cicatrix of the scape open or close? |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2015 : 22:11:18
|
Hi Francesco and all. I feel like a novice, because when I looked at the scape (virtually no trace of a cicatrix).... I saw that this species could not be Lamiini (=Monochamini) !! I quickly looked in Breuning's revision of Rhodopinini and I found the name I was looking for: Anacasta conspersa Aur., 1916. It is several millimeters larger than the 19-21 mm as defined in Breuning's revision, however the beetle is otherwise an exact match to his photograph. |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif)
France
12095 Posts |
Posted - 29/01/2016 : 18:20:59
|
Desmiphorini : Pseudopharsalia flavostictica Breuning, 1969 ; holotype available here |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2016 : 14:58:40
|
Do you have Breuning's Revision of Rhodopini? (1975 & 1976 ). My copy is not an original and the black & white pictures are fuzzy, but this is what I believe:
Aurivillius (1916, see plate 8 figure 9) described a male and called it Anacasta conspersa... Breuning (1969) described a female: Pseudopharsalia flavosticta.
In Breuning's paper, you can see pictures of both species on the same page!! |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif)
France
12095 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2016 : 21:33:11
|
Very interesting. I have the same copy than yours I think. I post here both descriptions in french and pictures to follow the discussion :
![](/public/imgforum/Xavier/20162121301_anacta.jpg) ![](/public/imgforum/Xavier/201621213135_anacasta desc.jpg)
![](/public/imgforum/Xavier/20162121324_psedo photo.jpg) ![](/public/imgforum/Xavier/201621213243_pseudo descr.jpg)
Note: My color picture HT is the same specimen than in Breuning's revision |
Edited by - Xavier on 01/02/2016 21:37:34 |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2016 : 00:26:29
|
I have asked a colleague if he can get me a color photograph of the holotype of A. conspersa. This may take a long time... or perhaps I will not get any results.
I feel rather certain that there is but one species involved.
If anybody has a photo of the holotype of A. conspersa, I would like to see it. |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2016 : 13:35:58
|
I received an image of the holotype of A. conspersa and I am rather certain that the image I posted last year is the same species, which would mean that Pseudopharsalia flavosticta is a synonym.
|
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Francesco
Forum Admin
![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif)
Luxembourg
9420 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2016 : 15:06:16
|
Good job, Dan! ![](images/icon_smile.gif) |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif)
France
12095 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2016 : 21:46:33
|
For me , it is the same species. I will post tomorrow the summary of the 2 ways going to the 2 "species" with Breuning's key (Révision de la Tribu des Rhodopinini 1975 & 1976 ). It should be interesting to understand how Breuning separated them... |
Edited by - Xavier on 10/03/2016 21:48:22 |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif)
France
12095 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2016 : 09:18:54
|
In Breuning Revision's key (1975), files are : 1, 61, 63, 71, 72, 94, 129, 130, 133, 134, 135 Anacasta Aur. 1, 61, 63, 71, 72, 94, 95, 97, 102, 103, 109, 111, 115, 116 Pseudopharsalia Breun.
Point 94 is : . Tibias intermédiaires échancrés ou pourvus d'un fort sillon ( = mid tibias strongly furrowed )... (95, etc) ...Pseudopharsalia - Tibias intermédiaires sinués ou pourvus d'un léger sillon dorsal ( = mid tibias slightly furrowed )... ( 129, etc) ...Anacasta |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2016 : 14:21:20
|
Two people could easily arrive at two different conclusions with a choice like this.
The unfortunate problems with much of Breuning's work appears that he did not study the holotypes. And it must have been impossible for him to get photographs from other museums.
|
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
Germany
1907 Posts |
Posted - 16/03/2016 : 00:52:01
|
Breuning used his own keys to add new genera or species, and of course you cannot reach any successful result, anybody know this, quite amazing he didn't know almost the species he listed before in his keys, he described without collection or comparisons, sometimes he didn't open the drawer to describe, how he could see some important characters hopelessly I heard any stories from colleagues met Breuning personally and discussed with him, in any case astonishment ![](images/icon_smile_shock.gif) |
Edited by - Xaurus on 16/03/2016 00:55:17 |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
dryobius
Member Rosenbergia
![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif) ![](images/icon_star_blue.gif)
USA
1885 Posts |
Posted - 16/03/2016 : 13:24:28
|
Someone should publish the synonymy. I am hoping to publish a paper with Vives on Bornean Lamiinae within the next year, and this note could be included then, I hope. Xavier... if you ware planning anything sooner, with Lamiinae, from that region, let's discuss it. You can use my photo of Anacasta conspersa from Mt. Bawang, as necessary. It doesn't matter to me who publishes this short note, really. |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif) ![](images/icon_star_bronze.gif)
France
12095 Posts |
Posted - 16/03/2016 : 13:29:26
|
I would not publish anything about this species. If somebody needs my pictures of holotype, just ask me. |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Francesco
Forum Admin
![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif) ![](images/icon_star_gold.gif)
Luxembourg
9420 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2016 : 19:26:30
|
Enfin... Vives & Heffern published the synonymy
Anacasta Aurivillius, 1916 = Pseudopharsalia Breuning, 1969 and Anacasta conspersa Aurivillius, 1916 = Pseudopharsalia flavostictica Breuning, 1969
Vives E. & Heffern D. J., 2016 - Descriptions and notes on Oriental lonhorned beetles, mostly from Borneo, Part III (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae, Lamiinae) - Les Cahiers Magellanes NS 23: 107-128. |
![Go to Top of Page Go to Top of Page](images/icon_go_up.gif) |
|
Topic ![Next Topic Next Topic](images/icon_go_right.gif) |
|