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Bennyboymothman
Member Rosenbergia
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 Posted - 30/09/2015 : 12:54:10
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Not sure on this either.
Data: 11-1994 - Mt Fansipan - Lao Cai Prov - Vietnam - 16mm
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Francesco
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Posted - 01/10/2015 : 20:44:43
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It is a female of Acanthoderes circumflexa Jacquelin du Val, 1857 or a closely related species cf. here.
Confusion of labels?
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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 01/10/2015 : 22:41:57
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| That was my assumption a wrong label, I've never seen an Acanthoderini in Vietnam. |
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jplami
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Francesco
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Posted - 02/10/2015 : 15:49:55
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Well: we all agree.
Concerning Psapharochrus, do you know if (and where) anybody has validly restored this taxon as genus?
I still find several species that nobody combined them as Psapharochrus.
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jplami
Member Rosalia
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Posted - 02/10/2015 : 19:36:26
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About genus Psapharochus, see explication and restoration (implicit act) given pages 328 and 329 in G. Sama, Lambillionea, 1994, XCIV, 3: 321-334.
Note sulla nomenclatura dei Cerambycidae della regione mediterranea. II. Revisione di alcuni tipi di Kraatz, v. Heyden e Stierlin. |
Lamiaires du Monde • Lamiines of the World • Cerambycidae Lamiinae |
Edited by - jplami on 02/10/2015 19:38:48 |
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Francesco
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Luxembourg
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Posted - 02/10/2015 : 20:13:39
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I have this paper, but subsequent authors (e.g. Chemsak & Hovore) kept describing numerous species as Acanthoderes.
Thus, the combinations with Psapharochrus have been never published.
Actually, the validity of that nomenclaturial act is doubtful.
The author compared only both "assumed" type species, but other authors disagree on this identification.
Moreover, he completely ignored the variability inside the genus. In fact, the present species looks more similar to Acanthoders daviesi than to Psapharochrus cylindricus regarding the elytral shape.
Finally, Aegomorphus seems to be a synonym of Psapharochrus.
Notably, the elytral apex of this genus is rounded in nearly all American species but obliquely truncated in the European ones (analogously to Psapharochrus).
In conclusion, a taxonomic paper that introduced more confusion than clarity. |
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jplami
Member Rosalia
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Posted - 02/10/2015 : 22:54:23
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Monné,2012:79 in Zootaxa 3213 cited (accepted) as valid genus of Acanthoderini :
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Psapharochrus Thomson, 1864: 18
Type-species: Acanthoderes cylindrica Bates, 1861 (by original designation).
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in his "Catalogue of the type-species of the genera of the Cerambycidae, Disteniidae, Oxypeltidae and Vesperidae (Coleoptera) of the Neotropical Region".
Authors follow him for all works on Neotropical longicorns. |
Lamiaires du Monde • Lamiines of the World • Cerambycidae Lamiinae |
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Bennyboymothman
Member Rosenbergia
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/10/2015 : 08:15:35
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| Thank you very much, a label was missing! |
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Francesco
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Posted - 05/10/2015 : 12:57:13
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Originally posted by jplami
Monné,2012:79 in Zootaxa 3213 cited (accepted) as valid genus of Acanthoderini
- Anybody could explain me the generic differences between Psapharochrus, Pardalisia, Scythropopsis, Symperasmus Aegomorphus and most Acanthoderes?
- Anybody could explain me why - for example - A. giesberti (here) belongs to Acanthoderes and not to Psapharochrus or Aegomorphus?
But I could select dozens of other Acanthoderes (A. affinis, A. albifrons, A. alpina, A. amplitoris, A. ariasi, A. barrerai, A. bicolor, etc., etc.).
- Anybody could explain me the strange distribution of these genera?
The simple reason is because Monné accepted a taxonomic (non systematic!) point of view that has no connection with the reality.
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Francesco
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Posted - 03/02/2020 : 09:04:05
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After the last revision, Aegomorphus circumflexus (Jacquelin du Val, 1857).
Psapharochrus was considered as a synonym of Aegomorphus.
Pardalisia remains as subgenus of Acanthoderes.
Scythropopsis and Symperasmus were considered as separated genera.
See BioLib here for the updated species list.
Keep attention that some combinations introduced by TitanBase were totally invented since never published.
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Bennyboymothman
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 03/02/2020 : 20:53:14
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| Thank you for the update. |
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Xavier
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Posted - 13/02/2022 : 08:51:45
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Originally posted by Xaurus
That was my assumption a wrong label, I've never seen an Acanthoderini in Vietnam.
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It's a wrong label. Who can seriously imagine the introduction of this species in this locality ? |
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Jérôme Sudre
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 13/02/2022 : 09:58:50
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Je vais dans un article à venir synonymiser Berningerus maynei Breuning (dont j'ai vu le type) qui est exactement la même chose que A circumflexus. Restera à voir les sp gorillus, mameti quant à B gorilloides décrit d'Egypte, est très certainement la même chose que A jaspideus....
Cf le post précédent.
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Gerard
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Posted - 13/02/2022 : 12:41:50
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| A t'ont des donner sur la plante nourricière ? |
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Jérôme Sudre
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 13/02/2022 : 15:22:29
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| Concernant Berningerus maynei qui est = A circumflexus , personnellement je n'ai aucune donnée sur les plantes nouricières (en Afrique) ni pour B mameti Breuning par contre Berningerus gorillus qui est l'espèce la plus répandu , Téocchi l'a obtenu d'élevage de Manihot ultissima (Manioc) de RCA |
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