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Andre
Member Rosenbergia
Germany
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 Posted - 17/02/2025 : 11:06:39
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After some inquiries from colleagues, I would like to announce some synonyms here to prevent further confusion.
At the moment I don't have the time and, above all, the inclination to officially respond. Perhaps the authors will be prompted to clarify this.
In this way, the beautiful and exciting tribe of Callichromatini will end in chaos. Also the cited species or genera with which the authors compare their described species are in part incomprehensible.
The following comments are subjective. Numerous figures of the types of individual named species can be viewed on well-known websites. Everyone should make up their own mind. I will not go into numerous other synonyms, especially in the genus Chloridolum, from older works. In any case, this approach makes it impossible to work through this very difficult genus.
Juhelia vietnamica Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024 = Aphrodisium convexicolle Gressitt & Rondon, 1970
Drouinia paradisi Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024 = Aphrodisium rufofemoratum Gressitt & Rondon, 1970
Pseudochelidonium sabahense Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024 = Pseudochelidonium unonotaticolle (Hüdepohl, 1998)
Cataphrodisium laosense Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024 = Aphrodisium schoenmanni (Skale & Weigel, 2017)
Chloridolum halleri Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024 = Chloridolum melanaspis Pascoe, 1869
Chloridolum phanense Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024 = Chloridolum vittatum (Pic, 1925)
Mimochelidonium splendidum Bentanachs & Jiroux, 2024:
Mimochelidonium ????
Unbelievable! Bentanach describes this genus!
This species has nothing to do with Mimochelidonium.
Vives 2022 describes Chewchroma kalimantanum after a specimen from Kalimantan. This specimen is very similar to the one described in Bentanachs & Jiroux. I have numerous specimens of this species from Vietnam, but also from Malaysia and Sumatra. So I suspect a synonymy here as well. On the other hand, this species is a clear Polyzonus for me!
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Francesco
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Posted - 17/02/2025 : 12:21:02
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woshixiao
Member Purpuricenus
China
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Posted - 18/02/2025 : 07:08:07
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Dear Andre, can I have a paper about these species?
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Andre
Member Rosenbergia
Germany
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Posted - 18/02/2025 : 09:24:50
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| That is the next problem. If anything, you get corrections! If you now want to quote something from the work in a publication, you are not sure whether you are giving the correct page numbers. This is impossible, especially for those who make their research available to everyone in order to advance ideas. |
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Joan
Member Nathrius
Spain
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Posted - 18/02/2025 : 10:43:43
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Dear Andre
I'm not going to get involved in a war that doesn't interest me. It's not the first time you've written derogatory comments about other members of the forum. Respect for the opinions of others is essential!!
I think the forum administrators should do something about this.
I'm just going to give an example of these synonyms that I don't agree with.
Pseudochelidonium sabahense
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Pseudochelidonium unonotaticolle Hudep.
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znort
Member Purpuricenus
France
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Posted - 18/02/2025 : 19:42:18
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Sur ce genre de sujet il y a le fond et la forme. Etant dans l'incapacité totale d'apporter un avis éclairé sur la position de vous deux et la validité des taxons concernés, je me permets juste donner mon sentiment sur la forme.
Si j'étais à la place de Joan, j'aurais apprécié un contact direct arguments à l'appui. On est jamais à l'abri de se tromper quand on s'engagé dans une publication mais peut-être que cela a été fait au préalable. Je n'en sais rien.
A défaut de se mettre d'accord sur une publication corrective et collégiale (je sais je rêve d'un monde idéal...), il me semble quand même opportun qu'à partir du moment où André conteste, cela fasse l'objet d'une publication et ce dans l'intérêt de nous tous. |
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Sergi
Member Rosenbergia
Spain
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Posted - 18/02/2025 : 20:38:36
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My modest opinion is that things can be said in many ways, always with respect and with the purpose of collaborating or improving a previous fact.
If there are different points of view between various authors, it would be ideal if they wrote to each other privately and reached an agreement or conclusion regarding the subject discussed, and I repeat, always with respect and education.
On the other hand, it would be interesting if the authors began to work with molecular genetics to support their taxonomic conclusions. Unfortunately, times change and we must go with the progress!! |
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