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Xavier
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 Posted - 28/03/2013 : 10:40:21
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20 mm, Hua Phan, nord-est Laos.
Un Chloridolum sans doute. Scape profondément sillonné.
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
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Posted - 28/03/2013 : 11:17:57
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Avec Gressitt (1970), je ne vois que Chloridolum grossepunctatum Gressitt & Rondon, 1970.
La photographie dans Vives, Lin 2013 Callichromatini species from China à l'air de coller (mais je ne vois pas le sillon du scape, et personne n'en parle). Si quelqu'un a déjà étudié cette espèce... |
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Xavier
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Posted - 28/03/2013 : 13:32:28
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Mais avec MM.Vives & Lingafelter (thank you Andre  ), il s'agirait plutôt de Chloridolum cyaneonotatum Pic, 1925 |
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Andre
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Posted - 28/03/2013 : 13:49:41
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Hallo Xavier, da haben wir uns missverstanden. Die abgebildete Chloridolum Art ist weder grossepunctatum (siehe Vives et al.2013) noch cyaneonotatum (det. Vives).
Sorry for my bad english in the E- Mail.
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Xavier
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Posted - 28/03/2013 : 14:20:23
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Well, I don't see any difference between Vives's paper and Lingafelter picture  .
With Gressitt (1970) key and descriptions:
- Pronotum with 2 subtriangular velvety areas ; pointing backward, 1 on anterior collar, other larger, on basal 2/3 of disc; scape with proeminent apical tooth; length 19-21 mm......grossepunctatum
- Pronotum with lateral striae coarse and median subrugose area blue to purplish and extending on to apical and basal collars ; elytron minutely punctured along suture and coarsely punctured on inner basal portion; length 17-21 mm................... ? cyaneonotatum
Note the " ? " of Gressitt.
- Description of the pronotum of C. grossepuctatum: "disc rather closely rugose on pale green portions, and minutely granulose to finely punctured on purplish portions"
I think finally my species is cyaneonotatum |
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Xavier
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Posted - 31/03/2013 : 10:19:31
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Here Pic's description :
Chloridolum cyaneonotatum n. sp.
Elongatus, postice attenuatus, opacus, viridis, thorace medio membrisque cyaneis; thorace medio ruguloso-punctato; infra corpore argenteo pubescente.
Long. 25 mill. Tonkin. -
Voisin de alcmene Ths., distinct, à première vue, par le prothorax marqué de bleu sur son milieu et autrement sculpté.
My specimens have also got "infra corpore argenteo pubescente". |
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Xavier
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Posted - 10/07/2014 : 10:58:02
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| By looking to the type picture from Bishop Museum, it's Chloridolum grossepunctatum Gressitt & Rondon, 1970. |
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Andre
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Posted - 11/07/2014 : 13:37:08
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Sorry Xavier.....your spec. is not C. grossepunctatum.....!
I think this is the pronotum from your Spec. In the last time, I have seen more than 100 Ex. from Laos from this......and is a very variable Spec.
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Picture by U. Schmidt/ Selbitz |
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Andre
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Posted - 11/07/2014 : 13:46:15
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I think this is the pronotum of C. grossepunctatum.....here the pronotum of a specimen from Vietnam......
But I think the det. of Chloridolum specimens is at the moment not sure possible.
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Xavier
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Posted - 11/07/2014 : 14:31:50
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Yes, perfect: I recognize the transverse line after the base of the pronotum. So, it's another species...and I stay with Chloridolum sp.
Thanks a lot, Andre. |
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Andre
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Posted - 14/04/2017 : 14:03:56
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Hello Xavier
Your specimen is for me Chloridolum jeanvoinei Pic, 1932
This spec. is a member of a group with Chelidonium herteli (it is a Chloridolum), Chloridolum cyaneonotatum, hainanicum, robusticolle...
and the situation is confuse... so for many other Chloridolum. The HT from Chelidonium (Chloridolum) herteli is not the same as the PT !
The PT is Chloridolum jeanvoinei 
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Andre
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Posted - 03/04/2018 : 15:37:07
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I should clarify this topic:
Your Specimen is Chloridolum nadleri Skale, 2018
The HT from Chelidonium jeanvoinei Pic, 1937 is a clearly Chloridolum and so a sec. Homonyn from Chloridolum jeanvoinei Pic, 1932.
The paper is readdy and will be published in Kol. Rundschau / Wien 2018 in the next time.
The species is very common especially in Laos. |
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Xavier
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Posted - 03/04/2018 : 17:17:09
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Congratulations Andre for your work !  |
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Andre
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Posted - 03/04/2018 : 17:38:26
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| Thanks.... but is not a sp. nov! Is a sec. Homonym.... so comb. nov. and nom. nov. ! |
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Xavier
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Posted - 03/04/2018 : 18:10:52
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| Ok, but I do not see any Chloridolum nadleri in Titan databes, so comb. nov. and nom. nov. with "Chloridolum nadleri Skale, 2018" means a "new name " for a "new species". |
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dryobius
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Posted - 03/04/2018 : 19:40:48
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I think that what we have is this:
Chloridolum nadleri Skale, 2018 is a replacement name for Chelidonium jeanvoinei Pic, 1937.
There can be only one Chloridolum jeanvoinei which happens to be Chloridolum (Leontium) jeanvoinei (Pic, 1932).
C. nadleri is a REPLACEMENT name, not a new species. |
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