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Xavier
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 Posted - 02/09/2019 : 14:08:45
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5 mm, female. China(Zhejiang). Close to Amblymoropsis ? or Setosophroniella ? |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
France
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Posted - 08/09/2019 : 16:27:09
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| Interesting, I wouldn't have thought of this genus: all the species I know are rather reddish and white... |
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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 09/09/2019 : 00:37:10
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| very similar to Amblymoropsis Breuning (=Setosophroniella) from New Guinea and Australia - maybe introduced to China ? |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
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Posted - 09/09/2019 : 09:18:46
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Ok, so it could also be an undescribed species of Amblymoropsis Breuning, 1958 : the 4 known species are all red, with different punctuation.
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Edited by - Xavier on 09/09/2019 10:34:15 |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
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Posted - 09/09/2019 : 17:33:40
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Originally posted by Xaurus
maybe introduced to China ?
This specimen comes from a deep and remote valley in Zhejiang mountains... |
Edited by - Xavier on 09/09/2019 17:35:51 |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
France
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Posted - 20/10/2019 : 17:08:34
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4mm, male from the same locality. |
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Xavier
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Posted - 20/10/2019 : 17:19:34
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4,5 mm, female from the same locality. |
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Max
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Xavier
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France
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Posted - 22/10/2019 : 08:47:00
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Very interesting Max. It seems exactly the same species, and the picture is really better than mine ! 
I see 2 questions:
- is this picture well identify ?
- does it really belong to Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 ?
By looking to this page, I do not understand what is Miaenia genus... . I feel that numerous species belong in fact to different genus or tribes.
First, it necessary to read:
- CHOI Ik Je, KWON Tae Sung & LIM Jongok, 2018. A taxonomic review of the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 (Coleoptera: Cerambycidae) from South Korea with a new record of M. tonsa (Bates). Journal of Forest Research 29 (3): 833-840, 4 figs.
- TSHEREPANOV Alexei Ignatevich, 1979. Novyy vid roda Miaenia (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae).Trudy Vsesoyuznogo Entomologicheskogo Obshchestva 61: 82-83.
Does anyone have these papers ?
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
France
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Posted - 22/10/2019 : 09:08:37
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| I add here a link to holotype picture of Miaenia maritima Tsherepanov, 1979. |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
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Posted - 22/10/2019 : 09:57:39
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It seems to me that there is a problem, since the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 gathers species with intermediate tibias furrowed and long antenna (as here ), and species without furrow at intermediate tibias (and short antenna ?) .
In Breuning revision (1977-1978), 74 species of subgenus Miaenia (Acanthosciades), Miaenia (Aegocidnus), Miaenia (Estoliops), Miaenia (Granulimiaenia), Miaenia (Indoaegocidnus), Miaenia (Miaenia) , Miaenia (Micronesiella), Miaenia (Nonymoides), Miaenia (Pomeranaegocidnus), Miaenia (Sibuyomiaenia), Miaenia (Tonkinomiaenia), Miaenia (Truncatomiaenia) have a furrow at intermediate tibias.
Who understands something ?
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
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Posted - 22/10/2019 : 14:30:35
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mesocoxal cavities comparison, specimen male
in Breuning revision (1977-1978), Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 have mesocoxal cavities closed, and belong to Acanthocinini tribe.
Members of Desmiphorini tribe have mesocoxal cavities open. |
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Max
Member Rosalia
Russia
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Posted - 22/10/2019 : 18:17:11
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Judging by your recent activity, you're better at this than I am.
- is this picture well identify ? -I think so. At least that's how "our" species is treated.
does it really belong to Miaenia Pascoe, 1864? - good question.. But I don't have anything to add because I don't even have this beetle in my collection. It is rare species in Primorye.
-74 species of subgenus Miaenia (Acanthosciades), Miaenia (Aegocidnus), Miaenia (Estoliops), Miae.. - it's hard to imagine that this is some kind of natural group. |
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znort
Member Purpuricenus
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Posted - 10/10/2023 : 10:23:43
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Originally posted by Xavier
Very interesting Max. It seems exactly the same species, and the picture is really better than mine !
I see 2 questions:
- is this picture well identify ?
- does it really belong to Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 ?
By looking to this page, I do not understand what is Miaenia genus.... I feel that numerous species belong in fact to different genus or tribes.
First, it necessary to read:
- CHOI Ik Je, KWON Tae Sung & LIM Jongok, 2018. A taxonomic review of the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 (Coleoptera: Cerambycidae) from South Korea with a new record of M. tonsa (Bates). Journal of Forest Research 29 (3): 833-840, 4 figs.
- TSHEREPANOV Alexei Ignatevich, 1979. Novyy vid roda Miaenia (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae).Trudy Vsesoyuznogo Entomologicheskogo Obshchestva 61: 82-83.
Does anyone have these papers ?
You can find an open acces version of CHOI Ik Je, KWON Tae Sung & LIM Jongok, 2018. A taxonomic review of the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 (Coleoptera: Cerambycidae) from South Korea with a new record of M. tonsa (Bates). Journal of Forest Research 29 (3): 833-840, 4 figs. here https://m.fx361.com/news/2018/0519/17132926.html
Interesting pictures of genitalia. I don't have my specimens here but maybe you or Gérard can check it.
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China: Amblymoropsis sp. vs Miaenia sp. ?
