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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 01/02/2022 :  20:45:59  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

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Another specimen I found in my collection i've never seen reference to.

Data: 12-2018 - Nowra - New South Wales - Australia

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Gontran
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Posted - 01/02/2022 :  21:39:43  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Ancita sp.....Probably crocogaster (Boisduval), Rhodopinini. Maybe the names have changed.

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Gontran
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Posted - 01/02/2022 :  21:46:27  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Indeed, in Titan now Hebecerus crocogaster (Boisduval, 1835) Ancitini.
But I have more specimens in my collection with the same name, but quite different species to me. ?

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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 03/02/2022 :  21:24:39  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you Gontran!
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Francesco
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Posted - 13/03/2022 :  10:43:41  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gontran

Indeed, in Titan now Hebecerus crocogaster (Boisduval, 1835) Ancitini.
Yes, someone rehabilited Hebecerus Dejean, but it is an error since this taxon is nomen nudum.
As you can see (here, p. 336) Hebecerus Dejean does not contain valid species.
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Gontran
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Posted - 13/03/2022 :  13:59:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thank you Francesco. I kept my label Ancita crocogaster (Boisduval, 1835). As for the tribe, is it Ancitini or now Desmiphorini ?

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dryobius
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Posted - 13/03/2022 :  16:38:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
the following is verbatim from Bousquet & Bouchard from 2013, about page 83.


Hebecerus Dejean, 1835: 336

Originally included available species: Acanthocinus australis Boisduval, 1835 (as “Australis. Dej.”); Acanthocinus marginicollis Boisduval, 1835 (as “Marginicollis. Dej.”).

Type species: Acanthocinus marginicollis Boisduval, 1835 by present designation.

Current status: senior subjective synonym of Ancita Thomson, 1864 in Cerambycidae (fide McKeown 1947: 127, as “Hebecerus Thomson”).

Comments. Hebecerus Dejean, 1835 has precedence over Ancita Thomson, 1864 and should be used as valid. Reversal of Precedence (ICZN 1999, Article 23.9) or an application to the Commission is necessary to conserve usage of the name Ancita Thomson, 1864.

Boisduval’s publication was issued by 27 March 1835 (Evenhuis 1997: 104), so the two names listed in Dejean (1835: 336), which were credited to Dejean in Boisduval’s work, were made available prior to Dejean’s publication.
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Francesco
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Posted - 13/03/2022 :  17:13:36  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you!
The article can be download here.

I wonder if Hebecerus marginicollis should be cited as Dejean in Boisduval, 1835
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Gontran
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Posted - 13/03/2022 :  19:47:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thanks for this paper.

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