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| Xavier |
Posted - 07/08/2014 : 23:59:23
21 mm. Pahang, Cameron Highlangs, Malaisie.
Robert  m'a donné cette espèce comme Ipothalia esmeralda Bates. Pourtant, je ne suis pas du tout sûr de cette détermination, car que je ne trouve aucune mention de I.esmeralda en Malaisie péninsulaire.
A ce que je comprends, les métafémurs devraient être entièrement noirs ? (cf Bentanachs, Vives & Chew, 2012)
Quel casse-tête ces Ipothalia, alors qu'il y a si peu d'espèces finalement  !
Autre possibilité avec cette couleur de pattes : I.metallica, ...mais c'est une espèce de Bornéo (Sabah) .
je nage. |
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| Xavier |
Posted - 20/03/2025 : 13:15:18
Hallo Andre! Vielen Dank! |
| Andre |
Posted - 19/03/2025 : 23:36:49
Hallo Xavier
Ich halte dein Exemplar für Ipothalia pyrrha var. serrei Pic, 1939., die niemals ein Syn. zu I. esmeralda sein kann (sehr leicht an der Halsschildsculptur erkennbar!).
I. cambodgensis Gressitt & Rondon, 1970 könnte durchaus ein Syn. zu I.pyrrha var. serrei sein, die ich für eine gute Art halte und nicht für eine var. zu I. pyrrha.
I. cambodgensis ist definitiv kein Synonym zu I. pyrrha (Fühlerbau !).
Was ein Chaos ! |
| Francesco |
Posted - 31/12/2020 : 11:38:29
La plus proche est I. esmeralda, mais en effet, cette espèce ne semble pas présent dans la dernière révision de Bentanachs et al. (2020)... |
| Xavier |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 20:17:02
Hello to the Texas ,
Yes, it's strange that there is no Ipothalia mentioned from Malay peninsula... |
| dryobius |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 19:56:27
I think your discussion on Ipothalia is very interesting. I can't really help to solve the problem from here in Texas! I hope Xavier can obtain a photograph of the types of Ipothalia. Otherwise, I have a colleague going to London next year to photograph some types for his study. One can not neglect the potential of a new species, either. This genus is only one of many in Borneo which has taxonomic problems. |
| Xavier |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 19:43:04
Ok, thank you. I hope pictures from Paris could help a little for this genus...
...and have a nice trip |
| horshehden |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 19:38:06
Sure, I agree, but the types (as far as I can observe when being here at Luzon) are not..
at least I cannot see anything like that in my photos from London. |
| Xavier |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 19:10:38
I can try to make a better picture tomorrow...
Pronotum is striated at base and apex, ponctuated but less on the disk |
| horshehden |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 19:05:31
Let me know later your opinion, it is already a new day here - for a long while, and I should sleep a little. |
| horshehden |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 18:56:29
Sure, despite the drawbacks, Larry should get the metals for introducing a lot of names, figures..
Despite that, you stated "esmeralda" before, but now metallica? Anyway, the same applys for the pronotum - yours is smooth in front and the (mine) type photo of metallica not.
You have reffered to the "double striated pron." - do you have a different photo than I can see? As far as I can see tha pronotum is unique all over the surface, when using both my as well as Larry's photo - but your's not, right? |
| Xavier |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 18:01:40
The "flying" Ipothalia is the I.metallica with open wings in Larry's website... You called it like that in your precedent message, no ?
<<Your specimen is almost identical to the flying type of I. metallica - except the pronotum :-)>>
I kwow there are some mistakes on Larry website, like here I imagine. but without any way to follow... |
| horshehden |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 17:21:59
Well, first, I do not know what do you mean by "flying" - is there any photo of flying Ipothalia esmeralda? I do not see it.
Second, I do not beleive that the two specimens "photographer: Dan Heffern" are the same - I can admit variability in the coloration of legs and some in elytra (more/less green/blue), but not in the antennae! Moreover, it seems that the shape of elytra and pronotrum is different...
Third, there is no type photo...
Fourth, I do not know know how reliable Larry is in determination - unfortunately, there are (or at least were) many "meaningless" pictures from the Palearctic fauna, just taken from their original websites...
If I remember it well pronotum of the type series of I. esmeralnda is completely punctuated, almost wrinkled; yours is rather smooth and shining apically, right? |
| Xavier |
Posted - 12/08/2014 : 08:36:10
Well, "if" legs colour don't care, the closer species to mine is I esmeralda (Flying's one, on Larry website) for puncture and double striated pronotum. |
| Xavier |
Posted - 11/08/2014 : 08:52:01
ok |
| horshehden |
Posted - 11/08/2014 : 08:43:55
Bentanachs, Vives, Chew or Bosuang, as you wish - unfortunately, there is mistake also in the names of the authors.
While the title pages say the new name (Bosuang), the first (page 5) the old one (Chew).
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