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Xavier
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Posted - 23/09/2012 :  16:06:06  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote


19 mm. Hua Phan, nord Laos.
Les 2 tubercules post-basaux m'amènent au genre Mutatocoptops; ensuite, dans Gressitt (1970), il n'y a que Mutatocoptops alboapicalis Pic, 1925, que j'ai du mal à reconnaitre ici ou sur la photo de Francesco.

= The 2 bumps lead me to genus Mutatocoptops; but in Gressitt(1970), There is only Mutatocoptops alboapicalis Pic, 1925, which I do not recognize here or on Francesco picture

Edited by - Xavier on 25/08/2019 17:48:00

Xavier
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Posted - 23/09/2012 :  16:12:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
...mais sans cicatrice au scape, j'ai tout faux pour le genre ):

= but without scar on scapus, I am totally wrong for the genus ):

Edited by - Xavier on 31/01/2015 18:12:39
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Francesco
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Posted - 23/09/2012 :  18:40:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
mmmhm... selon moi, il appartient aux Desmiphorini.
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Bi
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Posted - 24/09/2012 :  07:10:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Pteropliini , like Gibbomesosella
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Xavier
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Posted - 24/09/2012 :  17:45:16  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Thanks insectb (what's your name ?) I check in this genus (Pteropliini) which seems to me closer to my species.
Sorry Francesco, I find nothing in Desmiphorini tribe.
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Francesco
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Posted - 24/09/2012 :  20:34:07  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, it belongs to Pteropliini. This tribe is very archaic and several genera resembles to representatives of different tribes. The globose scape reminds of some Acanthoderini as well.
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Xavier
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Posted - 24/09/2012 :  20:51:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
There are only two Gibbomesosella.
Gibbomesosella nodulosa (Pic, 1932) here.
But strangely, I don't find the second species, Gibbomesosella laosica Breuning, 1969 in Longicorn of Laos (Gressitt, 1970). It could be this species...
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Bi
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Posted - 25/09/2012 :  07:05:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi, Xavier. You can call me Bii.
I am not quite sure whether it belongs to Gibbomesosella. But the tribe, I think is ok.
Hi, Francesco. Pteropliini is likely be non-monophyletic as you say. It's a another huge problem need to demonstrate use many methods and materials.
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Xavier
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Posted - 02/11/2012 :  17:13:08  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Je découvre dans la publication de JUNSUKE YAMASAKO & NOBUO OHBAYASHI (2011- Review of the genus Paragolsinda Breuning, 1956) que des espèces ont des tubercules semblables à la base des élytres.
Est-ce une piste à suivre ?
Les espèces du genre Mesoereis Matsushita, 1933 possèdent-ils aussi des tubercules ?

= I read in JUNSUKE YAMASAKO & NOBUO OHBAYASHI (2011- Review of the genus Paragolsinda Breuning, 1956) that some species have similar bumps on base of elytra. Is it a track to follow ?
Do species from genus Mesoereis Matsushita, 1933 have also bumps ?

Edited by - Xavier on 31/01/2015 17:51:06
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Francesco
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Posted - 02/11/2012 :  17:38:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
mmmhm... il me semble que le scape a une forme assez différente...
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Xavier
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Posted - 02/11/2012 :  17:48:20  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Francesco :mmmhm... il me semble que le scape a une forme assez différente...
= mmmhm...It seems that scapus has a rather different form


Oui, je suis d'accord. Mais j'ignore combien il existe d'espèces dans ces 2 genres, et si leurs scapes ont toujours une cicatrice développée.

= Yes, I agree. But I don't know how many species exist in these 2 genus, and if scapus always have a scar developed.

Edited by - Xavier on 31/01/2015 18:16:29
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Posted - 02/11/2012 :  18:36:39  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Je cherche au moins d'arriver au genre avec les clés des Pteroplini asiatiques.
Est-ce que tu pourrais me donner une photo latérale du pro- et mesosterum?
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Xavier
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Posted - 04/11/2012 :  14:12:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Francesco write " Je cherche au moins d'arriver au genre avec les clés des Pteroplini asiatiques.
Est-ce que tu pourrais me donner une photo latérale du pro- et mesosterum? "
= I try to find the genus with key of Asian pteroplini. Could you make a lateral view of pro - and mesosterum ?



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Voilà Francesco, ...Est-ce suffisant comme photo ?

= So, Francesco, ...is picture ok ?

Edited by - Xavier on 31/01/2015 18:22:02
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Xavier
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Posted - 18/09/2013 :  16:26:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Je relance ce post avec la description de PIC de Mesosa (Metamesosa) basinodosa Pic, 1925 ( déjà le nom me plaît bien ) :

= I "up" this post with PIC's description of Mesosa (Metamesosa) basinodosa Pic, 1925 ( I like its name )



...cela sera facile à vérifier en retrouvant le type au MNHN

= ... it will be easy to check it by finding type specimen at MNHN

Edited by - Xavier on 31/01/2015 17:32:43
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Posted - 22/09/2013 :  08:30:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Peut-etre.. mais j'ai Mesosa (Metamesosa) sinica (Gressitt, 1939) (ici une photo, plus tard j'en mettrai une autre plus détaillée), mais le scape est comme les Mesosa typiques!
S'il s'agit vraiment de cette espèce, la tribu est trompée...
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Xavier
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Posted - 05/10/2013 :  17:27:53  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Francesco write : " Peut-etre.. mais j'ai Mesosa (Metamesosa) sinica (Gressitt, 1939) (ici une photo, plus tard j'en mettrai une autre plus détaillée), mais le scape est comme les Mesosa typiques!
S'il s'agit vraiment de cette espèce, la tribu est trompée..."
= May be..but I have Mesosa (Metamesosa) sinica (Gressitt, 1939) (here a picture, later I add another with more details, but scapus is like typical Mesosa ! If it is really this species, trib is wrong...


Tu avais raison. J'ai photographié le type de M.basinodosa du MNHN, et c'est bien une autre espèce.
Je poste cette photo dans un nouveau topic, pour ne pas faire de mélange.

= You were right. I have a picture of M.basinodosa type from MNHN, and it is another species. I add this picture in a new topic .

Edited by - Xavier on 31/01/2015 18:26:54
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