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dryobius
Member Rosenbergia

USA
1885 Posts
Posted - 29/04/2018 :  13:10:27  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I see advertised a species called Batocera bourdonei from Morotai Island.
Does anybody know who described this?

Gerard
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France
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Posted - 29/04/2018 :  20:06:33  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hello Dan, I found no trace of a description for this species.
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Bandrow
Member Nathrius

USA
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Posted - 30/04/2018 :  05:32:16  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I have been watching those listings as well. The only reference online for the species is at Coleoptera-Atlas.com: http://www.coleoptera-atlas.com/cerambycidae-chrysomeloidea/lamiinae/batocerini/batocera/article/batocera-bourdonei

On this same website, there is listed Batocera aeneonigra cf. melanic - also from Morotai with a maximum length of 66 mm, as stated for Batocera bourdonei. Looks a lot like a poorly marked aeneonigra to me, but - despite my love for the genus - I'm no expert on Batocera...
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dryobius
Member Rosenbergia

USA
1885 Posts
Posted - 23/05/2018 :  15:43:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Pascoe described Batocera orpheus Pascoe, 1866 (syntypes from the islands of Morotai, Bacan, Ternate).
Rigout (1981) considered this to be a synonym of B. aeneonigra, however, he did not present a photograph.
So, it would be nice to see what some of Pascoe's syntypes look like. For those not familiar with Ebay sellers, many of them can (and do) mis-represent the identify of the species which they sell in order to get a lot more money.
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Gerard
Scientific Collaborator

France
5263 Posts
Posted - 09/11/2019 :  11:18:14  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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Indonésie, île de Morotai, taille 53 mm

Bonjour, je pense qu'il faudrait creuser un peu, je ne crois pas que ce Batocera soit la même que Batocera aeneonigra.
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Capitaine
Scientific Collaborator

France
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  11:49:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
J'ai ce couple en coll. en provenance de Halmahera (juste sous Morotai) et avec un label B. aeneonigra occidentalis ..


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Gerard
Scientific Collaborator

France
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Posted - 09/11/2019 :  12:11:01  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Bonjour Claude, peux-tu faire une photo du dessous ?
La bête de Morotai n'a pas du tout de blanc en dessous.
J'ai aussi une femelle de Batocera aeneonigra Thomson, 1859 de Bacan.
Edited by - Xavier on 09/11/2019 15:00:42
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Capitaine
Scientific Collaborator

France
1834 Posts
Posted - 10/11/2019 :  15:25:20  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Faisant mes photos en lumière naturelle, je te fais cela aussitôt que le temps le permet. En ce qui concerne le dessous de mes ex., ils ont effectivement une bande latérale claire assez étroite (échancrée dans la partie centrale).
Claude
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Capitaine
Scientific Collaborator

France
1834 Posts
Posted - 11/11/2019 :  14:21:38  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
voilà 2 vues rapprochées dorsal/ventral
Claude
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