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Xavier
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France
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Posted - 15/02/2018 :  17:31:43  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Ok. Here my data :

1 female, 21 mm; Pulu Pulu, Sulawesi, 02.III. 1997. Audureau Collector.Coll. X.Gouverneur
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cerambyphil
Member Rosalia

France
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Posted - 16/02/2018 :  08:08:12  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Francesco, I think I have got at least 15 specimens of this insect. I can't give you the real number because I'm not at home this week.
I will be back home in two days (sunday) and then I could confirm the number and the sex. I can help you for the description of the male if you want.
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Francesco
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Posted - 16/02/2018 :  09:45:06  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you.
I have seen that we have several males having the same size. Maybe it is batter to make only syntypes.
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Xaurus
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Germany
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Posted - 17/02/2018 :  01:44:54  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Before the study of the type spms of E. pustulifera I don't believe its a good idea to describe a new species immediately, because the type picture is really in a bad quality, and why such a common species is'nt known not yet.

I have a pair in my coll.: INDONESIA S-Sulawesi / Island, Bulukumba NW / env., Mt. Lompobatang, / ~ 900m, 10-30.VII.2006 / local collectors
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Francesco
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Posted - 17/02/2018 :  11:17:41  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xaurus

why such a common species is'nt known not yet.
For the same reason you want still wait now.
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Xavier
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France
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Posted - 17/02/2018 :  11:28:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I will have a look at MNHN next week, ...
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Gerard
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France
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Posted - 17/02/2018 :  11:30:33  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Bonjour, un couple dans ma collection. Les deux bêtes du début du poste. Je te donnerais les data précise dimanche soir.
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Xavier
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France
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Posted - 17/02/2018 :  12:55:21  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Francesco

quote:
Originally posted by Xaurus

why such a common species is'nt known not yet.
For the same reason you want still wait now.


I think the same.
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cerambyphil
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France
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Posted - 18/02/2018 :  16:23:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
After checking my collection, I found 15 specimens : 8 males and 7 females.

Edited by - cerambyphil on 21/02/2018 00:11:46
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Xaurus
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Germany
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Posted - 20/02/2018 :  00:04:19  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Francesco maybe you have the possibility to loan the type in SMF for study, my picture really bad.
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Gerard
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France
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Posted - 21/02/2018 :  18:04:40  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Pour les deux bêtes.

Sulawesi, Palolo, 1997
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Vitali
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Estonia
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Posted - 22/02/2018 :  10:36:04  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Francesco

It is remarkable that the brown colour of this species (e.g. Vitali's one) is formed by... mud???
I had a look with a microscope. The colour is produced by scales of some wax-like secretion which looks partly crystalline. White spots are formed by the same substance of lighter colour.
Collection data: Sulawesi, Mamasa, 02.2009.
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Francesco
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Posted - 27/02/2018 :  12:51:49  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The description of the new species of Eczemothea is a good point.

Please let me know if I have to some specimens, eventual mistakes or corrections.
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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia

Germany
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Posted - 28/02/2018 :  01:14:50  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
gratulation Francesco for the fast description of the new remarkable species, I'll check the text more in detail next week first.
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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia

Germany
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Posted - 13/03/2018 :  01:42:06  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Dear Francesco some remarks to the new Eczemothea sp.:

- description text seems to be ok
- what are syntypes ? in a paper today
- type depositories ?? where are the "coll.'s" located
- why you mention Hathliolophia alboplagiata this has nothing to do with this description
- to designate type spms only after pictures or even data are not a serious scientific work also behind the background in Sulawesi we have a huge diversity of species many of them very related, I'm not sure all the available spms belong to the same E. caenosus
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